@cshentrup i think we agree on that. so we have "tendencies" of utilitarianism that we may agree are not its truest or best or correct version that if we are incautious we might use either to discredit useful and correct version, or ourselves adopt mistakenly and harmfully. there's lots useful and correct in utilitarianism, but we still have to be careful to weigh and balance versions of it or ideas presented in its name.