@SteveRoth there never is that conversation, or there does not need to be. people have gotten good at the tacit in coordination. the blackrockians can just talk amongst themselves and realize they are nervous about this stuff. a few of them can "philanthropically" fund some research, then contact some muckraking journalists who benefit from access, and it's done. soon there's a netflix about how the pharmaco suppressed it. all the work, conversations, were in the name of public health.