@whatzaname @HeavenlyPossum @passenger Unfortunately we don't have any model or approach to vouchsafing good lives for 8B plus humans that is certain to replicate or prove sustainable. We have to work from what exists, what we can imagine, and our judgment to decide how best to go forward.

In my view, the model provided by the Nordics is the most hopeful we have, even though of course there is no guarantee we can replicate it or render it sustainable. We can only try, this or something else.