@Alon @BenRossTransit @phillmv i never, in those conversations, heard the view that you are suggesting, that Israel can just withdraw and it would end, that would be the resolution of the conflict.

that's a view i associate more with Americans much more than my (very small!) sample of Israeli locutors, from whom I've heard justification combined with a kind of fatalistic regret more than any hope of resolution. /fin