@TURBORETARD9000 @admitsWrongIfProven the US has participated in a lot of atrocities, no doubt. but a couple of things distinguish Israel/Palestine from other sometime atrocious interventions. first, most interventions were reasonably connected to some genuinely important state interest. vietnam and korea where horrible wars, full of US (though not just US) atrocity. but they both represented reactions to revising status quo borders by force, deterrence of which remains important. 1/

@TURBORETARD9000 @admitsWrongIfProven second, the character of atrocity is Israel/Palestine is quite distinct from pretty much anything the US has been involved in. a large civilian population is trapped, blockaded, starving in huge numbers. the closest post-WWII antecedents are Cambodia and Korea, where the US indiscriminately bombed huge numbers of civilians. but even there, populations weren’t trapped, blockaded, actively starved. 2/

@TURBORETARD9000 @admitsWrongIfProven the world is replete with horrors. if we are just counting bodies, it is the Soviets who suffered most in WWII, not the Jews, and Soviet and Chinese internal events (the holodomor and many similar, famine provoked by Cultural Revolution) and events we barely notice in Africa (Congo’s endless wars) that are probably worst. 3/

@TURBORETARD9000 @admitsWrongIfProven But when we judge these things, we are not just counting bodies. There are questions of the character of atrocity (which is what distinguishes the Nazi Holocaust much more than its scale) and questions of whether the context in which they occur also serves some positive cause which must weigh in the balance. 4/

@TURBORETARD9000 @admitsWrongIfProven I support the US continuing and quite accelerating sending armaments to Ukraine, even though I know the effect of that will likely you be to prolong the war and the casualties and destruction that results. The same ugly fact that compelled intervention in Vietnam and Korea compels at least this much intervention in Ukraine: borders must not be revised by force, of if that is more than we can enforce, it must have been very costly. 5/

@TURBORETARD9000 @admitsWrongIfProven Enforcing that norm is what makes Ukraine justifiable, and Ukraine’s conduct of the war, while undoubtedly involving some atrocity (all war does, don’t imagine there is a “moral army” once you’ve captured the guy who just blew away your friend), has been solid grading on the horrible curve of warfighting. 6/

@TURBORETARD9000 @admitsWrongIfProven With Israel/Palestine, it’s not at all clear what valuable norm the war is serving, and Israel’s conduct has been atrocious. 7/

@TURBORETARD9000 @admitsWrongIfProven even in hell, there are important distinctions to be drawn. /fin