@Alon @BenRossTransit i’m describing the situation before Oct 7.
@Alon @BenRossTransit That's clear. I wish Israelis thought a bit more about whether what is existential about the threat might be autoimmune more than pathogenicity. 1/
@Alon @BenRossTransit But this is a longer standing question. Whether you like the word, what liberal diaspora Jews see when they visit Israel has been an apartheid which has rendered it increasingly difficult to reconcile the liberal diaspora's ethical allegiances with its also strong allegiance to Israel. 2/
@Alon @BenRossTransit In conversations with Israelis, that tension seemed to me to have largely disappeared over time, replaced by a (deeply understandable) sense of grievance, by a kind of resignation that that what is necessary is necessary, and recourse to collective blame of Palestinians for what they say in their polls and allow to be taught in their schools. /fin
@Alon @BenRossTransit Hanania is interesting for his candid articulation of usually weak ideas that many people nevertheless hold but won't articulate. I appreciate him for that, his takes are terrible but like a live virus vaccine helpful to understand the terrible ideas that demand refutation. 1/
@Alon @BenRossTransit Re 2023 to 2011, I'm not sure the reference? From my remove, i've perceived a steady retreat into a kind of resignation that what is terrible is also necessary, and an increasing willingness to attribute of collective responsibility ("they nearly all support the terrorists") as justification for what they deem necessary. /fin
@BenRossTransit i guess i disagree. we all interact with people, but i’ve been struck by how prominent an ethos of “we may be vulnerable but we will never again be victims, and to never again be victims we will do anything and everything” has been in my interactions. israel’s weird 1000 for 1 prisoner exchange you can argue was accepting a perception of weakness to save one life, and in that sense would be anomalous, but i don’t think it expresses a virtue or overwhelms the broader trend.
@mhanson101 yes, i agree. it seems to be the author demonstrating that he behaves as he assumes others do with respect to EA (and to moral concerns generally), more than any argument against what others claim to disagree with, or even any real argument that his assumptions about how others behave meaningfully characterize the best of its critics. (of course there are critics for whom everything is self-positioning, that's true with any subject, but useful thinking engages with the other ones.)
@mhanson101 oh, i agree. i'm not at all persuaded by his arguments, if they are that, about effective altruism. he just takes for granted that there is no real critique and all that matters is a kind of meta argument about how these ideas and the sociology of who embraces or criticizes them effect people's perceptions of their own status.
( i've written a bit about EA https://www.interfluidity.com/v2/9660.html )
@matokie We, the forces that usually vex and annoy you, hereby concede that this day is lost and hopeless to us and your triumph and joy is inevitable, nothing can be done.
@realcaseyrollins when you refer to the death of God, is it the nineteenth century phenomena Nietzche referred to or something else?
"To be evil is bad, but weakness is what is truly unforgivable."
One rarely sees viewpoint this stated so pithily and plainly. It's the heart of an intuition that drives much of human behavior, the very essence of an infamous political ideology. A bit ironically it describes the ethos of the state of Israel recently. All of us are susceptible to it under certain circumstances, though its speaker here has required no exigency. Chalk it up as honesty.
From #RichardHanania https://www.richardhanania.com/p/effective-altruism-thinks-youre-hitler
@realcaseyrollins perhaps these aren’t mutually inconsistent ideas!
people expressing really terrible views with incredible certainty and sanctimony, and seeming to be respected and successful for doing so, is much of what has broken us.
@BenRossTransit that's a bit of a mindblowing timewarp! i'm sorry i'm kept by the paywall from reading most of the piece. i'm familiar, in a superficial way, with the Straussians, but know nothing of the Shachtmanites, who from the excerpt I'm likely to find more intriguing.
[New Post] October, November https://www.interfluidity.com/v2/9895.html
@failedLyndonLaRouchite changing ones views is not a thing that requires apology. under many circumstances, it's not changing them that would be discreditable.
goldberg, though, does not so much change his views as his tactics for discrediting the people he disagrees with. a few years ago he'd tar them "liberal fascists". now they are "anti-liberals on the left". they refer to his same enemies! it's a bit orwellian.
so this is the guy who wrote "Liberal Fascism".
what a difference just a few years will make.
https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/gfile/paranoia-will-destroy-ya/
once we understand the puerile to constitute a marginalized and vulnerable community deserving of our protection, we can appreciate the depths of elon's progressivism.
Has anyone else encountered this phenomenon on their mac, where if you don't manually thin time machine local snapshots (which are supposed to be automatically thinned or purged or not even generated when space is tight) your mac kernel panics and reboots a lot?
@johnelalamo @samlitzinger that’s a thing i found out quickly when in the company of humans.
“In 2013, the Kremlin adopted the first legislation restricting LGBTQ+ rights, known as the ‘gay propaganda’ law, banning any public endorsement of 'nontraditional sexual relations' among minors.” https://apnews.com/article/33e1b9a0110bf22dc2ebc7c42efe6335
// sounds familiar, here in Florida
@doriantaylor putting the stasis in homeostasis!