@SteveRoth @bmacDonald94 one small mercy that came from moving to FL: a bit more agency in electoral and representative politics. my rep is a freedom caucus gal, but it’s potentially a swing district, she has to care. in SF i had nancy, who agrees with me on some things, not others, but could care less what i thought or how i voted.

@LesterB99 i think it’s a custom more honored in the breach, so enforcement (against whom penalties are actually enforced) can be quite tendentious. the US refuses to participate, but should ICC go after credible accusations of US hospital bombing, Obama for his drones, etc? those who failed to adequately supervise Abu Ghraib? killed 1/4 NKans? should those who orchestrated Dresden and Tokyo—putting Hiroshima and Nagasaki to a side—have faced some version of justice at Nuremberg?

@failedLyndonLaRouchite @bmacDonald94 the Rs don’t need any Ds, and won’t get any for Jordan almost for sure. the question is will at least 5-ish Rs withold support so he can’t take the gavel.

i just did this. mstdn.social/@Laloofah/1112510 ht @bmacDonald94

[new draft post] The rhetoric of condemnation drafts.interfluidity.com/2023/

@SteveRoth so i am ashamedly behind on going through this draft of the paper (Barry Cynamon is a good friend, and I mean to go through it carefully, which has only put me off.) But in earlier drafts what was interesting wasn’t the shape they characterized, but the way they could then use that as a tool to make eg comparisons across time and between groups.

@SteveRoth yeah. you should checkout the new Cynamon / Fazzari paper that I have for months on my TODO list to seriously checkout (I commented on prior versions), they empirically model actual lifetime consumption patterns, then use that humped-shape curve, rather than the PIH straight line, to make sense of consumer behaviors and compare group welfare. twitter.com/BCynamon/status/16

@SteveRoth i think there are lots of reasons to reject the permanent income hypothesis, but it certainly makes sense that one can't even evaluate coherently if one omits one of the larger sources of income as experienced by individual agents or households from the analysis!

@SteveRoth (sorry to have gone on and on... i can't see the bluesky link apparently without an account, which i'm not quite willing to give myself yet.)

@SteveRoth the solution to a maximization (or minimization) problem can be characterized as "interior" or "corner". Suppose we are trying to minimize the function y=x, subject to the constraint that x is a variable that can't go below zero. Then the minimum is x=0, and that's a "corner" solution: you find it just at the edge of the function. 1/

@SteveRoth similarly, if we are trying to maximize y=x, we can say that there is no solution, or call the solution ∞. that is, less straightforwardly but not too weirdly, also a corner solution: it is not some value in the interior, but as far as you can go on the outer edge. 2/

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@SteveRoth if we are trying to maximize y=-(x^2)+x, though, we find an inverted U shape. initially as x rises, the x term overwhems the -(x^2) term. but at a certain point (at x=1/2) the negative term matches then overwhelms the positive. the solution is interior: neither going to zero (if that's a lower constraint) nor rising indefinitely towards infinity maximizes the function. there's a value in the middle that balances the terms, or (in a perhaps risky intuition) the tradeoffs. 3/

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@SteveRoth in real life, most things involve tradeoffs. when you eat ice cream cones, it's not just that there's "decreasing marginal utility". at some point (not too far above one cone!) not only do you "get" less from ice cream, but downsides like near-term nausea and long-term arterial plaques utterly overwhelm whatever pleasure you still get. eating 20 cones is not just little better than eating 1. it's much worse than eating none! 4/

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@SteveRoth so there's an interior solution to U(ice_cream_cones) at (for me) maybe ice_cream_cones ≅ 2. 5/

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@SteveRoth our models of U(c) for general consumption look nothing like this. they are always nondecreasing. we can never, in the model, be made worse off with more consumption. economists justify this shape by letting c refer to a vector of the potentially infinite goods we might buy, and by presuming "free disposal" (if the extra ice cream would be bad, we can throw it away, so in fact an extra cone can never hurt us even if it doesn't help us). 6/

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@SteveRoth "free disposal" is not in fact accurate, as my garage full of junk attests. but more foundationally, that general near infinite vector of goods that suggests there's always something you'd be better off if you could also consume it is pretty questionable. 7/

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@SteveRoth i think a more accurate intuition is that present consumption saturates, we are no better off, maybe worse off, for more, however extensive the amazon catalog, under any realistic understanding of our practical constraints. 8/

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@SteveRoth critiques of consumerism might be understood as arguing that this saturation point is lower than most of us imagine it to be. 9/

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@SteveRoth economics can rescue itself from much of this critique, though, by letting consumption be intertemporal however low our saturation point, if wealth can purchase consumption in the future, then eventually new wealth will buy us (or our great grandkids) something valuable. 10/

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@SteveRoth and when you model wealth is insurance, in the ordinary sense against idiosyncratic risks and also in the extraordinary sense of against systematic risks (lifeboats on our libertarian titanic), then it's easy to argue that *wealth* maximization should indeed lack an interior solution, the more the better. 11/

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@SteveRoth but it's an easy, mistaken slippage to imagine that should then be a characteristic of "consumption". /fin

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@SteveRoth yeah. economics really confuses itself on this point. 1/

@SteveRoth economics gets, in general, that in nearly all interesting cases, an interior solution will prevail. whatever the good that comes with increasing some variable, some tradeoff will eventually arise and overwhelm it. 2/

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@SteveRoth but then the very heart of modern economics is "utility maximization", which *by construction* has no interior solution. it is not a thing in the world, or even a model that tries to describe a thing in the world. it is just a gadget we've invented to organize how we explain and predict human behavior. 3/

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@SteveRoth but our weirdly constructed little model bleeds into implausible attitudes about real phenomena in the real world. 4/

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@SteveRoth we model utility as an increasing function of what we call consumption, so that consumption maximization takes on the unboundedness without tradeoff of utility maximization. 5/

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@SteveRoth but that can only work is we let the modeled phenomenon stand-in for the thing in the real world. like "investment" and "saving" and all the rest, we easily confuse ourselves with false friends, drawing inferences from the models about things to which we give the same name but are in fact not well characterized by the model. /fin

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@SteveRoth it's kind of interesting, because you can rationalize that relationship both ways, pot and O give us both, opposite, variations.

maybe there is "indulgentness", which a drug could increase, making us both crave snacks and be lazy

maybe there is "disengangement" which a drug could increase, leading us both to consume and to produce less

pot (in this taxonomy) is an indulgentness enhancer (though that's not usually how i'd characterize it), ozempic a disengager.

@SteveRoth maybe with respect to appetite for snacks! but reputed to have similar effects on motivation to work as those Stross attribute to O.

@SteveRoth gack! "pot"

how can the humane give effect to our humanity?

@delong patron saint!

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i like to think Chrissy Snow and Jack Tripper are having a good time together somewhere.

@wollman @jwmason you know more about it than I do, but it doesn't sound at first blush like a bad model!